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An old topic cause I can't quite sleep...


By Dark Siren Sally - Posted on 12 February 2008 in Opinions, Psychology, Sex, TMI

This is another post about rape fantasies; in this context I mean "fantasies about being raped", in other words, imagining oneself as the victim of a rape. Just to be clear -- because I recently realized it might be unclear -- this is what I typically mean when I use the term "rape fantasy" in my posts.

Also, fair warning for anyone reading this that might be triggered by a post about rape, even if it is discussed as fantasy, or in a purely theoretical context. Please just don't read if that is the case.

Lastly, I apologize if this post comes across as preachy. This topic is simply very personal to me. I do not expect people to agree with my sentiments just because I happened to write them down and publish them online.

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I've been reading about people who have rape fantasies again, and I've come to the conclusion that people who claim such fantasies are safe and possibly even empowering are having them for non-destructive reasons.

The problem with applying such claims in a general way to ALL of us who have rape fantasies is that some of us do indulge in them for self-destructive purposes.

There is a difference.

In order to explain, let me first consider: what makes rape rape? The most basic definition a person might come up with is that rape is being forced to have sex against one's will. A person who fantasizes about rape finds themselves aroused at the idea of being forced in this way.

However, having such fantasies does not always mean one wishes to be raped in real life.

The key, I think is in the issue of "want" -- what do people really want when they have fantasies about being raped? As far as I can surmise, there are two main reasons.

1) Relinquishing Control: They find the idea of completely relinquishing control during sex arousing. From my personal observation, these tend to be people who are otherwise dominant in life. They may have many responsibilities to carry out during the day, many people to manage at work, or many dependents at home. Therefore, to these people, giving up control for at least a short while is a liberation from responsibility. From their perspective, this liberation is a luxury and a pleasure, so linking it with sexual arousal is not necessarily surprising.

2) Self-hatred/Shame: They enjoy fantasizing about being raped not because giving up control is liberating, but because they are attracted to the idea of being abused and demeaned. People who fantasize for this reason are, without a doubt, deeply hateful of themselves, and gain immense satisfaction from the imagery, even the mere idea of their own defilement. In this way, the rape fantasy is actually a form of emotional self-injury. People who indulge in these fantasies for reasons of self-harm are likely turned off or afraid to indulge in other, more bodily forms of self-injury (cutting, asphyxiation, drug/alcohol abuse).

I believe that those who fantasize about rape for reasons of relinquishing control are having what one might term a "safe" rape fantasy. In truth, the "victims" are in control of the fantasy, taking it only so far enough in their minds to maintain the illusion of relinquishing control without relinquishing dignity as well. This type of rape fantasy can also be rightfully termed as the "ravishment" or "bodice-ripper" fantasy; these are terms that those who enjoy such imagery (and perhaps even roleplay it, in a controlled environment, with safewords and a partner they trust) may employ.

However, those who fantasize about rape for reasons of self-hatred are the ones most likely to actually enjoy being raped in real life -- because it's not the sex they're enjoying. It's the shame. Very likely, they have been abused in some way growing up (note: this abuse does NOT necessarily have to be physical in nature; my own example has shown otherwise) and therefore had the idea planted in their minds that they actually want, deserve or enjoy being abused. I believe this to be a defense mechanism, because as a child, one is often powerless to oppose abuse, and is afraid or ashamed to speak of it. A child may even convince themselves, or be convinced by the abuser that such behavior is normal and accepted.

The first reason suggests a person that desires to be sexually submissive, putting their version of rape fantasy in the realm of dominant/submissive or BDSM fantasy. In other words, it's staged rape, not real rape. There is no fear or shame involved in such fantasies, if they are done right. Indulging in these, in my opinion, does not constitute an unhealthy urge -- it is submissive, not self-destructive behavior.

The second reason suggests a person burdened by feelings of guilt and self-loathing, who believes the rape they imagine themselves victimized by is rightly deserved punishment. As I mentioned earlier, this is a form of self-injury, and if left unchecked, may eventually lead to seeking (perhaps even on a subconscious level) rape or other forms of abuse through websites, through online games or chatrooms, and ultimately in one's personal relationships.

These two reasons lead to two very, very different versions of rape fantasy from the victim's point of view.

And what I wish, after all my experience and struggling to understand what is truly wrong with me, is that people would understand that difference and NOT further encourage people who fall into the second category. Honestly, if one is to indulge in the "rapist" side of a rape fantasy, whether in online or face-to-face roleplay, one should first discuss with the intended "victim" what their reasons for wanting to indulge in rape fantasy are.

Failing to do so is failing at your responsibility as the dominant figure in the roleplay, and may very well lead you to hurt the victim in a REAL way, or encourage the victim to continue a pattern of emotionally abusing him/herself.

At the same time, however, the "victim" in a rape fantasy roleplay should also make an effort to think about their reasons for participating in it. Going into it without being totally sure may lead to putting oneself in a self-destructive or shameful situation. This may ruin the trust you might have had in your partner, even your ability to trust others in intimate situations.

This is something to be avoided at all costs! Do NOT allow yourself to be lax and simply think "I want to be a part of a rape fantasy because I like it, and that's that." The answer is very likely more complicated than that -- and the better you know your reasons, the better you will respect yourself, your partner, and those who have suffered real and lasting psychological harm at the hands of a rapist or abuser.

Mind you, it took me several years to come to the conclusions that I have written here tonight (err... this morning). After googling about this topic for a couple hours, part of me hopes that others who are lost and confused about rape fantasy will come across this post and read what I have to say. I know I'm just one person, and my opinion is neither gospel nor professional. But I think that I can at least speak from personal experience, and maybe what I write here may help someone else like me searching for opinions on the topic. *shrug* Who knows.

I appreciate what you are saying about rape/abuse/exploitation fantasies. I've done plenty of my own research, for similar reasons, and what you say coincides. Yeah, I've heard that argument that being sexually submissive is great for incest survivors because it helps them play with their own power and voluntarily giving it away and taking it back vs. having it taken from them. Trouble is, I don't buy it. I'm an alcoholic and drug addict in recovery (have been in recovery for quite some time), and I used to be a cutter. As well as a crazy risk taker. If BDSM (fantasy or reality) is so fantastic for incest survivors, then why are all my relationships train wrecks? If I were otherwise normal, healthy and happy and that was a quirk or a kink, that would be one thing, but my sex/love life has been a train wreck from day one.

I remember doing some "play" with one lover. . .unfortunately, he was actually abusive. And when it got to a certain point I was so overcome with rage that I kicked him across the room. He was mad. He was like "this was your idea." Maybe it was my idea because secretly I really wanted to kick him across the room. . .

I would very much like to have being forced STOP turning me on. I would very much like to stop having any rape/abuse/incest/exploitation fantasies at all. I can barely even get turned on unless there's an element of violence involved, fantasy or reality. Not all my lovers have been perpetrators, but some have. And the other ones didn't work out because they were as messed up as me. I even dated another survivor of childhood sexual abuse for awhile. I can't even tell you what a train wreck that one was.

I don't really want anyone else to argue with me about how having these urges is healthy and normal, what I want are action steps that will help to change the fantasies.

I've also gone to SLAA/SAA meetings, but some of the adivce I've gotten is super puritanical. No sex before marriage at all, no masturbation at all ever. If that works for ya, that's great, but I'm not really aspiring to be St. Augustine, I just want to quit having rape fantasies. I don't think masturbation is inherently bad (or inherently anything).

And I would be more optimistic about having a relationship that actually worked if I could quit having all these violent and/or humiliating fantasies.

Thanks for your post. And if you could direct me to anything action oriented on how to stop, that would be great.

Grrlie

You're welcome, I'm glad my post helped you at least see that you're not the only one that thinks this way.

I'm also relieved I'm not the only one. It's been very difficult trying to express my opinion about rape fantasies without getting some sort of "but rape fantasies are okay, they're fantasies after all!" treatment. I'm skeptical about the rape fantasies as therapy for incest survivors, too -- I actually think that it could reinforce the demeaning aspects about the experience, rather than the dubious sense of "control" you gain from it. I tend to think that people mix up sexual submissiveness, which does NOT have to involve being demeaned, with a "true" rape fantasy, which in my mind actually requires being objectified and abused.

As for how to stop... I only have what I know, and it isn't always reliable. I don't have any specific steps that worked or not. I'm still working through it myself. :/ What's helped me most is to know someone sympathetic to my problem, to whom I could speak openly about the feelings that lead me to be aroused by such fantasies. The person that helped me most with this is my husband. During sex, he helps me divert my thoughts from harmful imagery by taking a dominant, but nurturing role (no harm/shame, just... acting as a guide or mentor, in a way.) Talk or roleplay doesn't *always* work, I admit; it gets harder to resist the more depressed and vindictively self-loathing I feel.

I think it's the self-loathing that's ultimately behind violent, humiliating fantasies, and it doesn't help if your partners see only the kink and not the psychological harm it symbolizes. A lot of people are either too shallow or too impatient to look beyond the surface, and provide the sort of patience and nurture you may need to get through this. I definitely wouldn't suggest abstaining or refraining from masturbation -- sexual desire itself is not the cause, IMO. One person explained it to me as a "defense mechanism": having grown up abused at a young age, by one I should have been able to trust, my defense was to believe that abuse was both acceptable and what I truly wanted. In later years, then, it emerged as a sexual urge (I was not sexually abused. But, it was still abuse.)

I feel sympathy for your situation... you sound like you've been through some really hard times. I think finding someone you can talk to honestly about this topic, who won't judge or dismiss you for "worrying for nothing", is probably the first step. Getting to the heart of why you have such fantasies may help you figure out how to stop them, and it helps to have someone to talk it through with you.

Best of luck, and I hope you can find peace and true pleasure in life one day.

I am doing research on the topic of rape and force fantasy and came across your blog. Thank you for writing about it because I am lost and confused. You have helped me with what you have written.

I almost started crying when I read this because I struggle with rape fantasy as a means of emotional self injury. I never really had words for it before, but I think that you put it wonderfully. It is almost as if I am retraumatizing myself every time I do it and I have become dependent on it to be able to feel any sense of real physical pleasure.

Professionals have told me that fantasy is a means to freely explore my sexuality. However, I feel locked into doing something I don't really like or want for myself. I feel imprisoned, not at all like I am freely exploring my sexuality.

I've had plenty of people including therapists tell me that it is a way to take back control, but I feel like it is way out of control. Now that you have mentioned it, it is much like when I injure myself. I am a cutter, puncher, pincher, etc with a history of childhood sexual abuse.

I have subjected myself to horrible images and fantasies in the name of pleasure. I feel like a total freak for relating to what you have said.

However, I can see how for some people even survivors of rape or sexual abuse it can be a way to take back a sense of control. Actually, I can definitely see rape fantasy as a healthy part of someone's sexuality. However, for me it is all about feeling demeaned, exploited and ashamed which isn't healthy.



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